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t 8 6" bow 121 necessary for proper circulation in the area. There was about l hours discussion on this subject. Those in the audience speaking on the subject were Robert Dell Ergo, representing property owners east of Oakwood Blvd. Frank Viand, 150 Carlos Avenue, Keith Cole, owner of Continental Motel, George Doll, 307 ,'Vest Oakwood Blvd., Michael Aaronson, attorney Algiers Motel, James Faite, 543 Carlos Avenue, members of the B oicelli family, 2562 El Camino Real and Mr. Erickson, 328 East Oakwood Blvd. There was considerable discussion regarding the plans lines from East 'Cakwood Blvd. to El Camino Real., Councilman Spillers was of the opinion that the plan lines should be adopted from East Oakwood Blvd. to Madrone Street and not allow Carlos Avenue to continue through to E1 Camino Real. Councilman Weiss agreed with Councilman Spillers. Councilman Granger was of the opinion that the plan lines should be accepted from El Camino -Real to Cypress Street and abandon the strip from East Oakwood Blvd. to Orchard Avenue. Councilman Granger was of the.opinion that Cypress Street could be made into a through street to Woodside Road. The Clerk read a letter addressed, to the Fire Chief from the Board of Fire Underwriters of, the Pacific. The Mayor asked that this letter be made a part of the minutes. Dear Chief: Your letter of -March 29 has been received in reference to,the National Board Grading Schedule item under fire department titled "Conditions Effecting Fire Department Operations". This item evaluates the general condition of streets within a city that will effect fire department operations and response to various areas. This also includes steep grades, draw bridges, poor pavement, heavy traffic and similar conditions that can delay the fire department on its reponse to fires. It also grades the condition of overhead wiring as it obstructs fire department operations.. However, your question deals primarily with the condition of streets as it effects response and maneuverability of fire apparatus. Sub—item A. which refers to the amount of paved streets and/or streets in poor condition, can grade a maximum of 50 points for 100 percent poor condition. Your present grading deficiency under Sub—item A is 10 percent or three points chargeable. Item B which grades conditions causing delays in response to fire alarms for grade crossings, steep grades, narrow bridges, poor paving, heavy traffic, etco can grade a maximum of 90 points for a 100 percent deficiency. At the present time local conditions are reflected by a 25 percent deficiency charge for 18 points. The sum of the two items A and B totals 21 points for present conditions. You can see, theref ore, that these items can become an increasingly heavy deficit against the city where conditions are permitted to retrogress, as there is a total factor of 140 points chargeable for a 100 percent poor condition under both items. The grading of this item is primarily on of judgement plus a numerical measure— ment of streets reflecting poor conditions against a total of all streets in the city. It would be our recommendation, therefore, that city officials eliminate whenever possible long cul—de—sacs, narrow streets and other conditions detrimental to good fire department operations and response as a matter of safety to life and property to the property owners of you city. A petition against proposed Carlos Avenue plan lines was submitted to the Council with 240 signatures. This petition was presented by George Doll. Councilman Weiss moved to close the public hearing, seconded by Councilman Spillers and carried. Councilman Spillers moved to accept the Planning Commissionts recommendation with the plan lines stopping at Madrone Street and abandoning the portion from Madrone to El Camino, that is.accept the plan lines from Madrone to Oarchard Avenue, the plan lines from E1 Camino Real to,Madrone to be deleted. City Engineer Jain stated that it should be changed to include Madrone Street. Councilman Spillers included this in his motion. This was followed by discussion in r_�gard to whether or not Madrone Street had been considered by the Planning Commission. City Attorney Currie ruled that plan lines could not be set without a public hearing first being set by the Planning Commission. Councilman Spillers withdrew his motion and then moved to deny the planning Commission's recommendation And that it be referred to them that plan lines be drawn as shown on the present plan lines as indicated only stopping at Madrone Street and including Madrone Street in the plan lines, seconded by Councilman Britschgi. This was followed by discussion after which Councilman Britschgi withdrew his second. Councilman Spillers amended his motion to include Cypress Street also in the plan lines. Councilman Britschgi seconded this motion. Councilman Stout was of the opinion that the motion was ambiguous and suggested that the motion be made in two parts. Councilman Spillers