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• Dick Rivas said that that ' s why he recommended a small area . Other cities have bitten off more than thgT can chew , he explained , and the federal govern- ment is cutting back its programs . How many units can the City ' s building inspectors cover and show the people how to do what can be done , he asked . Sylvester McGuire said that , talking about relocation, the City didn ' t have that many vacancies , and would realistically have to use motels . Dick Rivas said that in the target neighborhood there was a lot of vacant land , and the City could build its relocation resources . Sylvester McGuire observed that anything built today would cost more for the renter . Whole families might be living in small units , paying a low rent , but in the new units , the government has rules about how many people are going to live in a unit . Dick Rivas said that relocation law allows relocated families up to a $1000 a year for four years . Sylvester McGuire pointed out that the same law requires relocatees to prove that they have been living in a certain place for a certain length of time , ninety days for renters . Mary Henderson suggested that Sylvester McGuire ' s concern would be more appropri - ate later on when the Committee had specific details to work with . Sylvester McGuire said that when you ' re talking to people you ' ve got to have some answers . Dick Rivas said that Sylvester knew that Redevelopment doesn ' t just up and tell people to move . Sylvester McGuire asked what the City was going to tell people whorl it talked to them . There had to be citizen participation , he said . . . Dick Rivas said that once the City determined that it had identified the area it wanted to work with and that it was going to have some resources , then was the time for citizens ' participation . He asked if Sylvester McGuire was suggesting that there be citizens ' participation "before we make the study" ? Sylvester McGuire said that he was . Gene Moriguchi said that he was concerned because sometimes decisions are made before people are involved : Then there ' s a row , he said . One of the goals of something like this is that it has to be people oriented , he said . That could . only be accomplished with citizens ' participation from the start , rather than coming to the point of having something going and then getting citizens ' parti - cipation . Mary Henderson pointed out that the City was not at a decision-making or_ program- selection point . Jim Fales said it was not Staff' s idea to call this a pilot project . It was not at all a pilot project , but a way of getting familiar with a process so that the HCC can make some decisions about it . Mary Henderson said that it was a learning project for the community . She suggested those on the._ Committee who were concerned about citizens ' participation withhold their concern until the action process was begun . MINUTES HOUSING CONCERNS COMMITTEE NOVEMBER 8 , 1972 PAGE 4 OF 7