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4 92, Police Chief , in answer to question whether estimates included costs of policing the carnival rides proposed for the five days , advised estimates had been made to include duration of the carnival and Pelt costs would be considerably less with - oUlt the carnival . Councilman Rosselli moved to introduce ordinance appropriating necessary funds for policing the Christmas Festival , if carnival proposal deleted , seconded by Councilman Petersen . City Manager suggested Council direct Staff to determine new cost estimates if carnival proposal deleted from this Festival as appropriation of funds recommended would be less . Council discussed inconsistencies noted because dates for festival include two days businesses would be closed . They questioned whether revenue anticipated from carnival intended to defray expenses of parade and what effect deletion of this portion of festival might have on the program proposed . Jerry Chandler, Assistant Manager of Chamber of Commerce , reviewed how Festival had originally been planned without the carnival rides but cost factors arose for parade and the additional events involved , and it was thought then carnival would produce revenue to get program started this year and revenues anticipated would provide for expanded activities next year . He stated it was true stores would be closed for two days during the celebration , but this too would have resulted in the revenue needed for program, and although carnival not absolutely needed for this year , if program to continue hereafter some means of financing would be required as full parade hoped for next year would cost between $ 5000 and 6000 and downtown merchants and Chamber of Commerce not in a position to fund such an event . In answer to concerns for carnival and whether business increase had been noted during carnival staging held in Woodside Plaza , Mr . Chandler noted carnival had been held twice in last year and twice this year at the Plaza, estimated income from which was $ 1500 a day and helped produce revenue for promotion of other programs . The " carnival " was clarified as referring to six " kiddie " rides . Further questi_oni_no and d i. sen ss en held concerning the value and desirability or including carnival rides in this program ; whether City with reduced costs for policing should contribute towards thy_ r event , and questioned contributions he ; n � made hyr Chamber of Commerce and Downtown Merchants Association , City Attorney advised City participation by contribution allowable for community promotion but not as an outright grant , and also necessary to enter into an agreement, or at least a determination be made by Council that benefit would result to whole of community . Council expressed concern whether such participation might not set a precedent for other shopping areas ; why such an event needed to promote business when Christmas season is biggest shopping season or all , and carnival m-; F ht be better held to attract downtown attendance at another time of the year . iJ • v